Darin Morgan Pro-Stock Ford Head......

[CGT]

Factory Stock has more followers than Pro Stock

From a long time Pro Stock fan, who has been disinterested in Pro Stock for several several years now. Factory Stock is cool, very fun to watch and follow. Pro Stock is all but dead to me....the changes have been too little, too late.

[SchmidtMotorWorks]

What was the point of this project? Why make a head that is just like a DRCE head? What was suppose to be better about it? Seems like an insult to Ford to make a new Ford engine just like a BBC engine.

To make a competitive head.
There are only two themes with very small variations that are usable to make a competitive head.

Everything else has a feature that makes them incapable of the last 5-10% required.

What "Ford" layout do you imagine could be competitive today?

[JoePorting]

I'm not a Ford guy, so I wouldn't know which one of there head configurations would work best. But I think if someone worked them long enough, they'd find one that would work. That's the challenge. Like they say, "If it was easy, everyone would do it".

[user-17438]

I'm not a Ford guy, so I wouldn't know which one of there head configurations would work best. But I think if someone worked them long enough, they'd find one that would work. That's the challenge. Like they say, "If it was easy, everyone would do it".

Valve placement has more to do with "working them enough" you can make a hug hole flow air but can the engine use it efficiently?

[Bos's5.0]

Factory Stock has more followers than Pro Stock

From a long time Pro Stock fan, who has been disinterested in Pro Stock for several several years now. Factory Stock is cool, very fun to watch and follow. Pro Stock is all but dead to me....the changes have been too little, too late.

Once they have changed things so much a fan can't be tribal.. they are done for. A few drivers with no personality who are only on camera a few minutes at best driving a bland looking car with an engine that doesn't resemble anything a normal guy is ever gonna get their hands on and has long long ago left any resemblance to any factory engine that their favorite (tribal) car make ever offered.

[CGT]

Once they have changed things so much a fan can't be tribal.. they are done for. A few drivers with no personality who are only on camera a few minutes at best driving a bland looking car with an engine that doesn't resemble anything a normal guy is ever gonna get their hands on and has long long ago left any resemblance to any factory engine that their favorite (tribal) car make ever offered.

Exactly

[SchmidtMotorWorks]

I'm not a Ford guy, so I wouldn't know which one of there head configurations would work best. But I think if someone worked them long enough, they'd find one that would work. That's the challenge. Like they say, "If it was easy, everyone would do it".

Valve placement has more to do with "working them enough" you can make a hug hole flow air but can the engine use it efficiently?

Exactly, people talk about flow bench numbers because that is what they have equipment to measure, and to a hammer, everything is a nail.

You also must minimize:
* chamber surface area
* valve-train mass
* awkward geometry
* uneven cooling
* casting distortion
* weight
* clamping
* manifold/runner fit

None of those features will be what you want them to be when you have designed the best head that you can.
The goal is to find the best set of compromizes.

[JoePorting]

If you watch Street Outlaws, you would know that one of the best running cars is Big Chief with his turbo Pontiac motor. So if the characteristics of the DRCE motor is so vastley superior to the Pontiac motor, why does Big Chief's car run so good to the point of beating most DRCE type motors? Makes you question everything. I personally believe 80% of ICE theories are wrong or misleading.

[randy331]

I personally believe 80% of ICE theories are wrong or misleading.

You should start a thread with that title.

Randy

[tenxal]

If you watch Street Outlaws, you would know that one of the best running cars is Big Chief with his turbo Pontiac motor. So if the characteristics of the DRCE motor is so vastley superior to the Pontiac motor, why does Big Chief's car run so good to the point of beating most DRCE type motors?

Dude.......

[user-17438]

If you watch Street Outlaws, you would know that one of the best running cars is Big Chief with his turbo Pontiac motor. So if the characteristics of the DRCE motor is so vastley superior to the Pontiac motor, why does Big Chief's car run so good to the point of beating most DRCE type motors?

Dude.......

Yeah.. I typed up a long response.. But realized it would have just been a waste.

[SchmidtMotorWorks]

If you watch Street Outlaws, you would know that one of the best running cars is Big Chief with his turbo Pontiac motor. So if the characteristics of the DRCE motor is so vastley superior to the Pontiac motor, why does Big Chief's car run so good to the point of beating most DRCE type motors? Makes you question everything. I personally believe 80% of ICE theories are wrong or misleading.

Are you seriously comparing a TV show turbocharged engine to a professionally developed NA engine to evaluate the platform?

A parallel valve head on a 4.6x bore spacing with 4 bolt clamping pattern (Pontiac) has roughly 2/3rds the power potential of a DRCE based engine.

I think I know where you are going,,,
The questions you are seeking answers to on your SBC head were answered 60+ years ago.
It makes me sad to see you going in the opposite direction of evidence, wasting time and money to rediscover this in an era when it can be simulated with very high fidelity for a small fraction of the cost.

[stealth]

If you watch Street Outlaws, you would know that one of the best running cars is Big Chief with his turbo Pontiac motor. So if the characteristics of the DRCE motor is so vastley superior to the Pontiac motor, why does Big Chief's car run so good to the point of beating most DRCE type motors? Makes you question everything. I personally believe 80% of ICE theories are wrong or misleading.

Wait a minute...

If we are throwing out all the apples and oranges of N/A, cubic inch rules, boost etc....it’s hard to beat a fuel hemi

Although that NASA has a few strong performers from Bowing and Lockeed Martin...

[midnightbluS10]

If you watch Street Outlaws, you would know that one of the best running cars is Big Chief with his turbo Pontiac motor. So if the characteristics of the DRCE motor is so vastley superior to the Pontiac motor, why does Big Chief's car run so good to the point of beating most DRCE type motors? Makes you question everything. I personally believe 80% of ICE theories are wrong or misleading.

Are you seriously comparing a TV show turbocharged engine to a professionally developed NA engine to evaluate the platform?

A parallel valve head on a 4.6x bore spacing with 4 bolt clamping pattern (Pontiac) has roughly 2/3rds the power potential of a DRCE based engine.

I think I know where you are going,,,
The questions you are seeking answers to on your SBC head were answered 60+ years ago.
It makes me sad to see you going in the opposite direction of evidence, wasting time and money to rediscover this in an era when it can be simulated with very high fidelity for a small fraction of the cost.

Sincd when is Butler Performance stuff considered "tv show turbocharged", whatever that means? Last I heard, he was going to CV1 heads that Anderson Port Development was doing.

[In-Tech]

I have to laugh.

Cross flow heads work well because it lowers the octane requirement. All other heads try to achieve the "super cooling" effect of cross flow and still put DOWNWARD flow. If a dynamic head can increase DOWNWARD flow, it will be the king.