Valve guide for super alloy valves

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Valve guide for super alloy valves

Post by Matt80 » Thu Jul 20, 2017 11:58 am

Hi, is there any adviced material for valve guides when using Ferrea Competition Plus (Super alloy) valves?
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Re: Valve guide for super alloy valves

Post by Keith Morganstein » Thu Jul 20, 2017 5:16 pm

Manganese-bronze guides. CHE, SI, PEP brands all make a good guide. Bronze guide liners will work too.

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Re: Valve guide for super alloy valves

Post by Brian W » Thu Jul 20, 2017 5:27 pm

I use CHE for pretty much all guides... That includes blown alcohol engines using super alloy valves. They just work...period.

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Re: Valve guide for super alloy valves

Post by Frankshaft » Thu Jul 20, 2017 6:25 pm

Not sure if any of you have seen these, my parts warehouse guys didn't know they had them, but really nice manganese bronze guides, sbi 340-1042br, 2.234 long, or 340-1043br, 2.600 long, .502 od, .570 step, .530 seal. They are very nice, and hold up well, and very reasonable I use these almost exclusively. They also have 7mm, 8mm/5/16. Comes small so you can size how you want

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Re: Valve guide for super alloy valves

Post by Matt80 » Fri Jul 21, 2017 2:39 am

Keith Morganstein wrote:Manganese-bronze guides. CHE, SI, PEP brands all make a good guide. Bronze guide liners will work too.

I thought Manganese bronze was quite a "normal" material, as I read it was just a soft one to make the guide work easier. Probably there are a lot of manganese bronze alloy around.
Will ask CHE or SI then Thanks.

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Re: Valve guide for super alloy valves

Post by induction apprentice » Fri Jul 21, 2017 4:20 am

CHE guides are amazing! The people are great! Machine quality, accuracy and crazy alloy stands up amazing! They are all i use. Also they have some really nice alloy seat material options, lifter and rocker arm bushings and so on.

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Re: Valve guide for super alloy valves

Post by integrale Evo » Fri Jul 21, 2017 6:46 pm

Trojan alloy is the best material.

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Re: Valve guide for super alloy valves

Post by induction apprentice » Sat Jul 22, 2017 3:28 am

integrale Evo wrote:Trojan alloy is the best material.
"Trojan alloy" Thats awesome! I'm gonna use that when talkin to the ladies. :)

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Re: Valve guide for super alloy valves

Post by Matt80 » Wed Oct 18, 2017 9:21 am

What about phosphorous bronze for valve guides?
How is that compared to manganese bronze?
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Re: Valve guide for super alloy valves

Post by Abbottracingheads » Wed Oct 18, 2017 10:04 am

The phosphorous bronze guides are softer and will not last as long. Use the Manganese bronze.
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Re: Valve guide for super alloy valves

Post by pdq67 » Wed Oct 18, 2017 10:35 am

How about, "Silicon Bronze", and, "Herculoy"? Too hard?

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Re: Valve guide for super alloy valves

Post by NORSK » Wed Oct 18, 2017 10:43 am

Why not just use a simple brass guide :)
As long as its long enough and has correct O.D/I.D and a centered hole (which is not always the case) and correct dim for the intended stem seal
Then all is good
People tend to overcomplicate many components in my honest opinion

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Re: Valve guide for super alloy valves

Post by tresi » Fri Oct 20, 2017 10:53 pm

Keith Morganstein wrote:
Thu Jul 20, 2017 5:16 pm
Manganese-bronze guides. CHE, SI, PEP brands all make a good guide. Bronze guide liners will work too.
Aren't bronze liners phosphorous bronze? I thought the fact that they are softer and deflected but would spring back was what made them work? If phosphorous bronze guide is too soft won't a phosphorous liner also be too soft? I'm not doubting what you said I'm just trying to understand it better. If I'm wrong about the liners being phosphorous bronze please tell me.

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Re: Valve guide for super alloy valves

Post by Keith Morganstein » Sat Oct 21, 2017 9:17 am

Guide liners are spring tempered phosphor bronze. They are hard, not soft and broaching them to size likely work hardens them a bit more.
If installed correctly, they work fine.

Which method I use (whole guide or liner) depends on the job and the type of head, I have no problems with either.

It seems that just because a manufacturer of valves uses the term "super alloy", folks seem to think a special "super alloy" valve guide is needed for them.

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Re: Valve guide for super alloy valves

Post by peejay » Sat Oct 21, 2017 10:46 am

Thead makes me paranoid... built an early 80s Audi engine (aluminum head, ??? guide material) with super alloy valves for heat tolerance since these engines tend to run high EGT when you really crank the boost up. I forget the manufacturer now since I bought the valves a looong time ago, I just remember that they were something like $50/valve.

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