A big, light, 5.0 Ford engine.

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Re: A big, light, 5.0 Ford engine.

Post by englertracing » Mon Oct 02, 2017 3:04 am

https://youtu.be/DqLnYqBLCBU
i dont know what the deck height is on this one,
im sure its not 5.0 deck height, but probably is 351 or 400...
either way build this.....

it just makes pinch port gen 1 sbc chevy stuff look stupid, almost like engines with Siamese intake ports.

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Re: A big, light, 5.0 Ford engine.

Post by jsgarage » Tue Oct 03, 2017 3:35 am

Quote- Then how about a Vega hatch or Monza 2+2? (And I bought a new '75 Monza 2+2 V-8 4-speed, posi- back then. Engine was a POS, BUT it was a SBC!)... And use an aluminum 5.0 block and heads for max. weight reduction.
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If you're intending to dragrace only, maybe.... Biggest problem with the Chev Monza/Buick Skyhawk/Pontiac Sunbird(?) was the lack of space between the front fender lips and the spindles for adequate width tires to go around corners rapidly. Anyone who tried autocrossing or roadracing with a decent engine wound up adding giant fender flares to legally cover the necessary tires ala the DeKon Monza racers. Very narrow stock body, it seems, & V-8 engines took up more than their share. Anyone using big power & stock front tire widths found out how bad understeer could be. I'd keep looking...

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Re: A big, light, 5.0 Ford engine.

Post by pdq67 » Tue Oct 03, 2017 6:17 am

No, just straight line is all, a quarter mile at a time!

I always had my '67 Camaro set up stiff as a buckboard wagon when I cornered it! Sucker would almost skip sideways at say 40 to 45 mph around a 90 degree corner! And once I, "Dukes a Hazarded", it and about tore my 1" deeper oil pan oil drain plug off it.

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Re: A big, light, 5.0 Ford engine.

Post by Krooser » Tue Oct 03, 2017 6:40 am

I'm thinking a Chevette engine in a Mustang might be more challenging..
Last place in the B-main is better than anyplace in the grandstands...

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Re: A big, light, 5.0 Ford engine.

Post by paulzig » Tue Oct 03, 2017 4:56 pm

Krooser wrote:
Tue Oct 03, 2017 6:40 am
I'm thinking a Chevette engine in a Mustang might be more challenging..
That sort of unholy vivisection would send a person straight to hell... Its enough people putting LS engines into everything there for a while.

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Re: A big, light, 5.0 Ford engine.

Post by Krooser » Tue Oct 03, 2017 9:42 pm

paulzig wrote:
Tue Oct 03, 2017 4:56 pm
Krooser wrote:
Tue Oct 03, 2017 6:40 am
I'm thinking a Chevette engine in a Mustang might be more challenging..
That sort of unholy vivisection would send a person straight to hell... Its enough people putting LS engines into everything there for a while.
Ok then... a Yugo engine in a Chevette...
Last place in the B-main is better than anyplace in the grandstands...

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Re: A big, light, 5.0 Ford engine.

Post by paulzig » Wed Oct 04, 2017 1:17 am

Krooser wrote:
Tue Oct 03, 2017 9:42 pm


Ok then... a Yugo engine in a Chevette...
Yes, that would be fine....

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Re: A big, light, 5.0 Ford engine.

Post by englertracing » Wed Oct 04, 2017 3:01 am

Krooser wrote:
Tue Oct 03, 2017 9:42 pm
paulzig wrote:
Tue Oct 03, 2017 4:56 pm
Krooser wrote:
Tue Oct 03, 2017 6:40 am
I'm thinking a Chevette engine in a Mustang might be more challenging..
That sort of unholy vivisection would send a person straight to hell... Its enough people putting LS engines into everything there for a while.
Ok then... a Yugo engine in a Chevette...
nah a radial in a gogomobile
https://youtu.be/TNe2zcfdwwA
https://youtu.be/f2V7B7-gdRA
https://youtu.be/Xk8d-bMhViM

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Re: A big, light, 5.0 Ford engine.

Post by Krooser » Wed Oct 04, 2017 4:24 am

How about a Merlin in a Messerschmitt...
Last place in the B-main is better than anyplace in the grandstands...

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Re: A big, light, 5.0 Ford engine.

Post by gvx » Wed Oct 04, 2017 4:29 am

pdq67 wrote:
Sat Sep 30, 2017 8:32 pm

Then how about a Vega hatch or Monza 2+2? (And I bought a new '75, Monza 2+2 V-8 4-speed, posi- back then. Engine was a POS, BUT it was a SBC!)...

And use an aluminum 5.0 block and heads for max. weight reduction.

pdq67
Sounds like you need a fox body?

302 X 5200RPM X2 = 10,400 RPM = 604 CUBES@ 5200 RPM.

Makes the question is it less expensive to build a 10,000 RPM 302 or 450 cubic inch small block Ford that turns 7500 RPM?
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Re: A big, light, 5.0 Ford engine.

Post by gvx » Wed Oct 04, 2017 4:31 am

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Re: A big, light, 5.0 Ford engine.

Post by paulzig » Wed Oct 04, 2017 6:25 am

Get a 5.0 and put a Turbo on it .... Maybe fuel injection too, so you can be like the ricer kids.

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Re: A big, light, 5.0 Ford engine.

Post by peejay » Wed Oct 04, 2017 6:56 am

Krooser wrote:
Tue Oct 03, 2017 9:42 pm
paulzig wrote:
Tue Oct 03, 2017 4:56 pm
Krooser wrote:
Tue Oct 03, 2017 6:40 am
I'm thinking a Chevette engine in a Mustang might be more challenging..
That sort of unholy vivisection would send a person straight to hell... Its enough people putting LS engines into everything there for a while.
Ok then... a Yugo engine in a Chevette...
Can I choose any "Yugo" engine I want? Fiat made some really kick ass versions of that engine in the 1970s and 1980s. The 500+hp Delta S4 engine may have been from that engine family.

The Chevette had a chassis to be reckoned with internationally, as well. Personally I'd drop an Ecotec engine in one, or a Lotus engine if I had a lot of money and wanted to make an HSR replica, but everyone's going to see their "canvas" differently.

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Re: A big, light, 5.0 Ford engine.

Post by peejay » Wed Oct 04, 2017 7:00 am

gvx wrote:
Wed Oct 04, 2017 4:29 am
Makes the question is it less expensive to build a 10,000 RPM 302 or 450 cubic inch small block Ford that turns 7500 RPM?
What kinda trans and rearend will live behind either engine?

RPM is expensive for the engine but large torque gets very expensive for the drivetrain.

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Re: A big, light, 5.0 Ford engine.

Post by piston guy » Wed Oct 04, 2017 2:08 pm

A guy up north Gerald Cressman, built at least two that were at or over 400ci. Scott Main had an Engine Masters entry with an 8.20 deck Dart block that was 409 ci. The cylinder walls were paper thin. even he said it was a dyno queen only. I have a 374 4.125x3.500 in an old Ford Racing aluminum 8.2 deck block. Could go to 380 max with overbore.

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