one quart of 30W heavy duty and five quarts of non-detergent

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one quart of 30W heavy duty and five quarts of non-detergent

Post by Krooser » Fri Oct 27, 2017 5:01 pm

I've been getting pretty lax on doing routine maintenance on my old Ram pickup.... 285,000 miles and it's run out of oil a couple times. Still runs OK and it's mostly just a run around parts truck right now.

So a couple weeks ago I decided to buy some oil and change the oil in my Buick and the Ram... plus I bought oil and a filter for my son's Chevy pick-up. I made a deal with him that if he changed the oil in my two vehicles I'd buy the supllies for his truck.

Two weeks later and the weather is getting colder and the kid still hasn't made any effort to change any oil so old Dad gets busy today and jacked up the Ram to get 'er done.

First thing I notice is the drain plug is hanging on by about four threads... and the filter was installed by Charles Atlas. I had my 'buddy' do the last service for me... undertightened the drain plug and overtightened the filter.

So I get the oil drained, install a new filter and begin to replace the oil. I grab six quarts of 30W out of the box and get the last quart into the engine and I notice the bottle label sez 'non-detergent'! WTF?

Sure enough... one quart of 30W heavy duty and five quarts of non-detergent... shoot. Should have worn my glasses at the parts store.

I guess the world won't end. This old girl goes thru a quart of oil every two weeks or so depending on how hard I push it so I'm going to let her get down one quart and but a bottle of Rislone to help put some additives back in the pan.

BTW... speaking of non-detergent oil how many of you still use that stuff on engine break-in... up until 10 years ago there was no such thing as break in oil!
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Re: So I guess I should have worn my glasses...

Post by cgarb » Fri Oct 27, 2017 5:23 pm

Any oil is better than no oil.

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Re: So I guess I should have worn my glasses...

Post by Krooser » Fri Oct 27, 2017 5:33 pm

You are so right!
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Re: So I guess I should have worn my glasses...

Post by Tuner » Sat Oct 28, 2017 5:25 am

You old engine might appreciate a bottle of this until you get the right grade of oil in it.

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Re: So I guess I should have worn my glasses...

Post by mag2555 » Sat Oct 28, 2017 6:22 am

That Lucus is made for short term break in use, like no more then 100 miles!
See the note on its label about not for passenger car use!

If your motor is only normally dirty on the inside I would add 3/4 of a QT of ATF, not rislone!

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Re: So I guess I should have worn my glasses...

Post by mag2555 » Sat Oct 28, 2017 6:23 am

That Lucus is made for short term break in use, like no more then 100 miles!
See the note on its label about not for passenger car use!

If your motor is only normally dirty on the inside I would add 3/4 of a QT of ATF, not Rislone.

If you add rislone you had better plan on changing out the filter again in 200 miles of driving.

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Re: So I guess I should have worn my glasses...

Post by Tuner » Sat Oct 28, 2017 7:04 am

The Lucas additive contains the zinc compound an old engine needs that is not in the "non-detergent" oil mistakenly put in the OP's engine. He should drain and replace it with the correct grade of oil with the additive package intended for his specific engine. If it is an old flat lifter non-roller engine it should have zinc.
Lucas Oil wrote:Lucas Engine Break-In Oil Additive TB Zinc-Plus protects camshaft
lifters and valve train during break-in period of motors. It is excellent for flat tappet camshafts during break-in or as an additive to any motor oil to prevent premature wear. It contains an exclusive blend of extreme pressure additives and is designed for race applications requiring additional extreme pressure additives. Dyno testing shows a more efficient break-in when used, resulting in less engine run time prior to race day.
https://lucasoil.com/pdf/TDS_Break-In-Additive.pdf

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Re: So I guess I should have worn my glasses...

Post by steve316 » Sat Oct 28, 2017 7:53 am

Tuner I like your post; a no BS approach.

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Re: one quart of 30W heavy duty and five quarts of non-detergent

Post by j-c-c » Sat Oct 28, 2017 5:53 pm

Not sure if this is story or a question.

Did you say if this was a gas motor, and/or flat tappet or roller cam?

What were your oil change intervals previously over 250,000+ miles?

If me, if roller cam, i would do nothing, add make up detergent oil maybe shorten next oil change interval, get with the times and use a multi viscosity, and have friend be in charge solely of holding my beer.

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Re: one quart of 30W heavy duty and five quarts of non-detergent

Post by PackardV8 » Sat Oct 28, 2017 9:03 pm

Over the years, there have been recommendations for adding STP, Rislone, Marvel Mystery Oil, diesel fuel, ATF and others to engine oil.

I have a friend who's been a top lubrication engineer for Chevron for forty years. His take, "They all buy their feed stock from us, put it in brightly-colored small cans and charge a bunch for it. If any of those were of any benefit whatsoever, it would cost only pennies, not dollars, for us to add them to our oil before the consumer gets it. That it isn't in our oil is all you need to know."
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Re: one quart of 30W heavy duty and five quarts of non-detergent

Post by pdq67 » Sat Oct 28, 2017 9:44 pm

I would pour a bottle of GM's, "EOS", in her and go!

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Re: one quart of 30W heavy duty and five quarts of non-detergent

Post by Krooser » Sat Oct 28, 2017 9:52 pm

It's a 5.2 gas engine... I've owned it for four years. I guess I've out on 80,000 + miles in that time. Oil change intervals? Beats me. I change it when it gets ugly or whenever I think about it... the old girl really has been neglected.

This is an oil burner no doubt... not many skeeters around my house. I usually use straight 40W during the summer to keep oil consumption reasonable... if I use a multigrade, anything less that a 15W40, it eats plenty of oil when I just run around town. Highway consumption is a little less. I did use 50w for a while. Winter is coming so I use a 30w oil... anything heavier is too tough to crank when it's subzero.

I know this is blasphemous to most here but it's a beater truck... what can I say.

I treated the trans to some Seafoam Transmission Rebuild In A Can yesterday... sorta kinda fixed the slow 1-2 upshift when cold. All this maintenance is making me tired... :lol:
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Re: one quart of 30W heavy duty and five quarts of non-detergent

Post by Krooser » Sat Oct 28, 2017 9:55 pm

pdq67 wrote:
Sat Oct 28, 2017 9:44 pm
I would pour a bottle of GM's, "EOS", in her and go!

pdq67
Not a bad idea... I still have several cans of the old formula on the shelf... come to think of it I have an opened cam that I used for assembly lube when I rebuilt the engine in my wife's Jeep.

Gotta find that stuff....
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Re: one quart of 30W heavy duty and five quarts of non-detergent

Post by Tuner » Sun Oct 29, 2017 4:19 am

Krooser wrote:
Sat Oct 28, 2017 9:55 pm
pdq67 wrote:
Sat Oct 28, 2017 9:44 pm
I would pour a bottle of GM's, "EOS", in her and go!

pdq67
Not a bad idea... I still have several cans of the old formula on the shelf... come to think of it I have an opened cam that I used for assembly lube when I rebuilt the engine in my wife's Jeep.

Gotta find that stuff....
The EOS is what to use. The Zinc compound in EOS and the Lucas additive is essentially the same. EOS would have been my first choice but it didn't seem likely to me that you would have any available. I think Zinc Alkyldithiophosphate in the LUcas and Zinc Dialkyldithiophosphate in EOS. Read the label.

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Re: one quart of 30W heavy duty and five quarts of non-detergent

Post by Racerrick » Sun Oct 29, 2017 4:51 am

drain the oil and use it in an air compressor. Most non-detergent oils have very little ep additives

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