80-100k 550 hp

1972ho · Post by **1972ho** » Sat Oct 20, 2018 12:15 pm

Wow you sure don’t get much for your money these days I just read where nascar engines will only be limited to 550 hp in 2019.And they call that saving them money and just to add to that you don’t get much for your money I just called a random header builder locally about a set of headers for my V-6 and was quoted 3500 for mild steel and 4700.00 for stainless.I had to let the guy know I’m not a pro stocker or a nascar just bracket hobby racer.This stuff is out of control.

Post by **SchmidtMotorWorks** » Sat Oct 20, 2018 1:14 pm

1972ho wrote: ↑Sat Oct 20, 2018 12:15 pm Wow you sure don’t get much for your money these days I just read where nascar engines will only be limited to 550 hp in 2019.And they call that saving them money and just to add to that you don’t get much for your money I just called a random header builder locally about a set of headers for my V-6 and was quoted 3500 for mild steel and 4700.00 for stainless.I had to let the guy know I’m not a pro stocker or a nascar just bracket hobby racer.This stuff is out of control.

How many hours do you think it would take to build the headers?

Caprimaniac · Post by **Caprimaniac** » Sat Oct 20, 2018 3:05 pm

Just built my 3. Set, 4.actually. Of V8 headers. I guess 100 hours/ set. Last set qickr, as I learn- I think....
Why not get the welder and tubing out and diy?

RevTheory · Post by **RevTheory** » Sat Oct 20, 2018 3:14 pm

Caprimaniac wrote: ↑Sat Oct 20, 2018 3:05 pm Just built my 3. Set, 4.actually. Of V8 headers. I guess 100 hours/ set. Last set qickr, as I learn- I think....
Why not get the welder and tubing out and diy?

That's something I think I could really get enthused about learning.

ProPower engines · Post by **ProPower engines** » Sat Oct 20, 2018 4:02 pm

1972ho wrote: ↑Sat Oct 20, 2018 12:15 pm Wow you sure don’t get much for your money these days I just read where nascar engines will only be limited to 550 hp in 2019.And they call that saving them money and just to add to that you don’t get much for your money I just called a random header builder locally about a set of headers for my V-6 and was quoted 3500 for mild steel and 4700.00 for stainless.I had to let the guy know I’m not a pro stocker or a nascar just bracket hobby racer.This stuff is out of control.

Your kidding right??? Did you think they worked and ran a shop for 15$ an hour???

Consider the shop rate of a minimum of $100/hr and the current cost of materials is out of site for just mild steel tube never mind stainless tube and the bends are retarded in cost but thats the industry.
And a custom set for an odd ball combo I would say $3500 is the going rate.

Years ago back in the late 90's when all the new raised post heads hit the market you could not buy an off the shelf set of headers for a ton of what would be considered common engine and chassis combos.

I had the boys at Lemon's Headers do a set for a build I did for a customer. THEY WERE THE ONLY HEADER COMPANY IN THE USA THAT WOULD DO A SET. OR COULD DO A SET.
I talked with Dan lemons and he asked if I could send him a head that was used in the build so he could jig up a set and after it was all said and done that was $2600 for a coated set in about 2004 for an RHS headed BBC build in a 64 Malibu and all I can say is they were so pretty we did not want to bolt them in the car and get them dirty. They took 6 weeks to finish and ship and we were elated to get them.

When it comes to custom ya get what ya pay for

77cruiser · Post by **77cruiser** » Sat Oct 20, 2018 4:10 pm

When I did my headers I had about 100 hrs. & $400 in material, mild steel.

grandsport51 · Post by **grandsport51** » Sat Oct 20, 2018 4:29 pm

I used to buy flange kits and parts from Headers by Ed ,

had good stuff and great advice!!

Certainly the theories have advanced (thanks Calvin)

but i'm sure Ed could help

http://www.headersbyed.com

Dave B.

1972ho · Post by **1972ho** » Sat Oct 20, 2018 5:03 pm

Oh yea that’s what I’ve done this makes the 3rd set that I have built I had some flanges made about 10 years ago for 100.00 the guy did about 24 flanges for me.I just thought I would inquire about someone else doing a set and this was just some random shop near that I don’t thing has been in business for over 3 years, if I would have been serious about having someone do a set for that kind green I would have called performance welding to do a set.But just think if every shop is charging this kind of money to do headers for any odd engine car combo makes the average working joe SOOL.

peejay · Post by **peejay** » Sat Oct 20, 2018 6:00 pm

1972ho wrote: ↑Sat Oct 20, 2018 5:03 pm Oh yea that’s what I’ve done this makes the 3rd set that I have built I had some flanges made about 10 years ago for 100.00 the guy did about 24 flanges for me.I just thought I would inquire about someone else doing a set and this was just some random shop near that I don’t thing has been in business for over 3 years, if I would have been serious about having someone do a set for that kind green I would have called performance welding to do a set.But just think if every shop is charging this kind of money to do headers for any odd engine car combo makes the average working joe SOOL.

Well, yeah. Any kind of hotrodding is a hobby for people with disposable income, and headers for one-off applications are not cheap. This is most of why the average joe doesn't do weird combos, they get mass produced off-the-rack parts.

If you have 30 hours of labor in making a set, that's 3000+ right there if you are pricing yourself as a business, plus materials. Sure you might be able to get chinesium headers for a small block A-body for $70 on eBay, that isn't the product being ordered.

steve cowan · Post by **steve cowan** » Sat Oct 20, 2018 6:19 pm

i can see building your own headers as been on par to porting and flow testing your own cylinder heads.
you need good equipment and what is your own personal time worth ?
sometimes it is easier to go work your own job for 100hrs and leave the header build for the experts.
i can see the attraction just like porting your own cylinder heads,but i would hate to see a set of owner built headers thrown in the bin because the expectation was not met,i have never built headers but i have thrown cylinder heads in the bin.

af2 · Post by **af2** » Sat Oct 20, 2018 6:20 pm

Yep!! It is what you want and what you get.

1972ho · Post by **1972ho** » Sat Oct 20, 2018 6:49 pm

Well now that some of you have chastise me about my complaint about header cost what do you all think about the 550 hp nascar engines that cost north of 80k big ones.I mean my little v-6 makes that kind of power they may as well go back to V-6’s in nascar if all they need is 550 hp.

steve cowan · Post by **steve cowan** » Sat Oct 20, 2018 6:59 pm

1972ho wrote: ↑Sat Oct 20, 2018 6:49 pm Well now that some of you have chastise me about my complaint about header cost what do you all think about the 550 hp nascar engines that cost north of 80k big ones.I mean my little v-6 makes that kind of power they may as well go back to V-6’s in nascar if all they need is 550 hp.

why does nascar want to go down that road???

midnightbluS10 · Post by **midnightbluS10** » Sat Oct 20, 2018 7:42 pm

1972ho wrote: ↑Sat Oct 20, 2018 6:49 pm Well now that some of you have chastise me about my complaint about header cost what do you all think about the 550 hp nascar engines that cost north of 80k big ones.I mean my little v-6 makes that kind of power they may as well go back to V-6’s in nascar if all they need is 550 hp.

So then you think your little V6 could run 500 miles and run HARD like theirs for however many hours on end? Maybe you should start building engines for NASCAR?

You honestly think it could be competitive as it sits for a fraction of what theirs cost? That's what your post implies. Being honest with yourself, do you even think it would last through qualifying?

Going back to a V6 wouldn't even make sense. Now your asking the engine to do more work from a smaller power plant. What would that solve exactly? They lose a few pounds, except now they have engines closer to the edge of grenading? What purpose would that serve?

1972ho · Post by **1972ho** » Sat Oct 20, 2018 7:49 pm

No I don’t think that that’s not what I said I said if they only need 550 hp they may as well go back to running V-6’s if they only need 550 hp,you reading more into what my meaning is,Unbelievable.

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