Nascar sbc heads of the 70s and 80s?

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Nascar sbc heads of the 70s and 80s?

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curious before the era of the aluminum 18* heads of the late 80s came out what did they have to work with back then?
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I ran a few sets of Nascar take off heads on my drag car years ago. I had a set of "292 Turbo" heads. I suspect these were among the last cast iron heads ran. I had a set of Phase 6 aluminum bowtie heads, and then later a couple sets of "867' Pontiac heads. I'm not sure the exact era these heads came from, but I suspect they're from the timeline you mentioned.
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We had a set of iron Bowtie heads that came from Raymond Beadle's race shop when they auctioned off everything many moons ago. Ran pretty decent on a 12-1 406 with a 264-274 solid flat tappet. 10.70's at 124mph in a 3600lb + '62 Chevy.
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tchapps88 wrote: Wed Oct 31, 2018 8:03 pm curious before the era of the aluminum 18* heads of the late 80s came out what did they have to work with back then?
292 Turbos until around 82, then 034 cast iron Bowties, phase 1. Not sure what year they went the aluminum Bowtie commonly referred to as the phase 6, probably late 80's.

Next came the 867 Pontiac which was still 23 degree except raised intake runners, teams welded and rolled these to 18 degrees before the actual GM 18 degree heads were introduced.
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Do you know what year ford went to aluminum heads?
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91stang wrote: Wed Oct 31, 2018 10:55 pm Do you know what year ford went to aluminum heads?
Not sure on that, my best guess is early 80's.
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I have a 1984 ford Motorsport catalog that has the C302-b head and c-302-a4 as nascar head basically a little bit of a Aluminium copy of the 351 cleveland head with raised ports and round exhaust ports.
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And then you had the Buick 10 degree heads possibly the best of the era !,

https://www.teambuick.com/reference/lib ... d_head.php

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Charliesauto wrote: Wed Oct 31, 2018 11:13 pm
91stang wrote: Wed Oct 31, 2018 10:55 pm Do you know what year ford went to aluminum heads?
Not sure on that, my best guess is early 80's.
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grandsport51 wrote: Thu Nov 01, 2018 5:15 am And then you had the Buick 10 degree heads possibly the best of the era !,

https://www.teambuick.com/reference/lib ... d_head.php

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those ard neat, those woulda came out in 86 according to the article, strange part is only 3 buicks competed in 86 but they seemed to do well with bobby allison winning a couple times and bobby hillin winning, chevy dominated the season but also had the aerocoop to their advantage, what heads did chevy have for 86? was it the phase 6 aluminum?
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tchapps88 wrote: Thu Nov 01, 2018 7:23 pm
grandsport51 wrote: Thu Nov 01, 2018 5:15 am And then you had the Buick 10 degree heads possibly the best of the era !,

https://www.teambuick.com/reference/lib ... d_head.php

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those ard neat, those woulda came out in 86 according to the article, strange part is only 3 buicks competed in 86 but they seemed to do well with bobby allison winning a couple times and bobby hillin winning, chevy dominated the season but also had the aerocoop to their advantage, what heads did chevy have for 86? was it the phase 6 aluminum?
I may be wrong, but I don't think the Dart/Buick head was ever utilized in NASCAR Cup(V-8). If not, it must not have gained approval.
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In the NASCAR Busch series (during the V6 era), the Buick head was 30 HP better than the Chevy head.
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Charliesauto wrote: Thu Nov 01, 2018 10:32 pm
tchapps88 wrote: Thu Nov 01, 2018 7:23 pm
grandsport51 wrote: Thu Nov 01, 2018 5:15 am And then you had the Buick 10 degree heads possibly the best of the era !,

https://www.teambuick.com/reference/lib ... d_head.php

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those ard neat, those woulda came out in 86 according to the article, strange part is only 3 buicks competed in 86 but they seemed to do well with bobby allison winning a couple times and bobby hillin winning, chevy dominated the season but also had the aerocoop to their advantage, what heads did chevy have for 86? was it the phase 6 aluminum?
I may be wrong, but I don't think the Dart/Buick head was ever utilized in NASCAR Cup(V-8). If not, it must not have gained approval.
I believe NASCAR killed the V8 Buick quickly. It was too much of an advantage at the time. Like mentioned above,they kicked butt in Busch with the V6. They had a flatter torque curve that raced better.
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grandsport51 wrote: Thu Nov 01, 2018 5:15 am And then you had the Buick 10 degree heads possibly the best of the era !,

https://www.teambuick.com/reference/lib ... d_head.php

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Huh - weird thought, I wonder if those found their way into some of the Trans Am cars of that vintage. Would explain why people were running Buick Trans Am cars.
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grandsport51 wrote: Thu Nov 01, 2018 5:15 am And then you had the Buick 10 degree heads possibly the best of the era !,

https://www.teambuick.com/reference/lib ... d_head.php

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One of the sets of the S2v6 heads I had That the intake ports looked similar to the chevy/buick v8's
Flowed an honest 310 at .600-650ish lift. I had all of these heads flowed at the same place.....only 1
set was the stage2 busch stuff on sheet I posted, the other heads were for stock configuration stuff.

I would imagine that they used they same port since the cylinder size was similar cubes. 45".
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