Nascar 550 hp limit ??

[Arthur]

It's funny, everyone that has the fix, has little to NO experience in the sport.
Everything is easy from the grandstands!

The most inane contorted blinkered statement you have ever uttered
You are in Lala land
Fire away

[Warp Speed]

It's funny, everyone that has the fix, has little to NO experience in the sport.
Everything is easy from the grandstands!

The most inane contorted blinkered statement you have ever uttered
You are in Lala land
Fire away

Im sorry, apparently you have a tough time with reality huh?!?

[CamKing]

It's funny, everyone that has the fix, has little to NO experience in the sport.
Everything is easy from the grandstands!

That's the same attitude CART took. Remember them ?

[CamKing]

NASCAR is down from their peak, but how does the current attendance stand in relation to say; 1990, or 1985, or 1978? Is there really a problem?

Daytona 500 TV Ratings
1979: 10.5
1984: 8.7
1989: 8.1
1994: 9.6
1999: 9.6
2004: 10.6
2009: 9.2
2014: 5.6
2019: 5.3

In the last 40 years, the 2 lowest rated Daytona 500's were 2018 and 2019.

https://www.sportsmediawatch.com/2019/0 ... ecord-low/

[tjs44]

Only the fans count!No one cares if the drivers like it!I think everytime they try to make it better for the fans the drivers like it less.If drivers dont like it let them find another line of work.This Sunday will be the first points race with the less HP,bigger spoiler and and diff splitter with 40 cars on the track.I hope the fans get what their looking for more than I care if the drivers like it.JMO,Tom

[427dart]

What I used to like... see a Plymouth or Dodge wing car with Hemi running at Daytona and see one at the dealer or on the road.
See a Boss 429 powered Torino at Daytona and see a Boss 429 Mustang at the dealer or on the road.
And on a different note.... see Ronnie Sox in his 1970 Hemicuda Pro/Stock and rode back home in a 1970 Hemicuda!

[Arthur]

It's funny, everyone that has the fix, has little to NO experience in the sport.
Everything is easy from the grandstands!

The most inane contorted blinkered statement you have ever uttered
You are in Lala land
Fire away

Im sorry, apparently you have a tough time with reality huh?!?

Only yours-
Projection is no substitute for facts
You’re on a losing ticket

[ijames]

NASCAR is down from their peak, but how does the current attendance stand in relation to say; 1990, or 1985, or 1978? Is there really a problem?

Daytona 500 TV Ratings
1979: 10.5
1984: 8.7
1989: 8.1
1994: 9.6
1999: 9.6
2004: 10.6
2009: 9.2
2014: 5.6
2019: 5.3

In the last 40 years, the 2 lowest rated Daytona 500's were 2018 and 2019.

https://www.sportsmediawatch.com/2019/0 ... ecord-low/

Just for grins:
Daytona 500 TV Ratings Superbowl
1979: 10.5 47.1
1984: 8.7 46.4
1989: 8.1 43.5
1994: 9.6 45.5
1999: 9.6 40.2
2004: 10.6 41.4
2009: 9.2 42.0
2014: 5.6 45.3
2019: 5.3 41.1

Up until the 2009 they tracked pretty well but this decade Nascar has dropped 50% and the NFL has held about even. Data from Wikipedia. About as many fans are still willing to watch a 4 hour Superbowl as ever, which argues it's not too many cable channels, video games, cell phones, or other distractions, it's a lack of interest in Nascar and wildly extrapolating this data and comments from other posters it's a lack of interest in hot rodding and auto racing in general . Personally I think it is a combination of the roads getting too crowded, cars getting more complicated so learning about them is more intimidating, more reliable so far fewer little repairs to teach and build confidence, better so there isn't any easy low hanging performance fruit to get with simple modifications, and all of the EPA "thou shalt not modify" propaganda.

[JoePorting]

The general public doesn't know the difference between a connecting rod or push rod, but those are the people NASCAR needs to Target. I think if they advertised $5 or $10 tickets, they would fill up the stands and generate more interest. They can make money on the $10 beers and $8 hot dogs.

[tjs44]

Joe,dont know how much you charge for porting but if you cut your prices by 75% can you EVER make the gross profit dollars back?Nice thought but it will NEVER add up!Tom

[LoganD]

it's a lack of interest in Nascar and wildly extrapolating this data and comments from other posters it's a lack of interest in hot rodding and auto racing in general . Personally I think it is a combination of the roads getting too crowded, cars getting more complicated so learning about them is more intimidating, more reliable so far fewer little repairs to teach and build confidence, better so there isn't any easy low hanging performance fruit to get with simple modifications, and all of the EPA "thou shalt not modify" propaganda.

I actually disagree, you look at how popular car modification channels on platforms like Youtube are and it's pretty clear young people are interested in cars. The real problem with NASCAR, and even something like F1, is that they bear zero resemblance to anything an enthusiast will encounter.

When we watch football or basketball, we can literally go play these games. Obviously it's at a much lower level, but you can still relate. When you watch NASCAR, how can the fan relate? Most people will never drive something with a V8, let alone one that spins to 10k. They'll never get to drive on an oval, and even if they do it won't look anything like Daytona, but a high school football field is the same size and layout as an NFL field.

I think that's why these Friday night "No ET" and "No Prep" undisciplined drag race events have become so popular, people can relate. They can actually have a goal to get a mustang and turbo it. NASCAR used to be much more relatable, and I think the TV viewership reflects that.

[Warp Speed]

The most inane contorted blinkered statement you have ever uttered
You are in Lala land
Fire away

Im sorry, apparently you have a tough time with reality huh?!?

Only yours-
Projection is no substitute for facts
You’re on a losing ticket

You see, if you had any idea what you are talking about, you would know that everything people suggest has been thought of. The fix for one problem creates many more. You think everyone in the sport, from the sanctioning body to the teams, are stupid. Just shows how little you, and many others really know.
A revert back to purely OEM based cars and power plants would end the sport just in the financial.aspect alone, let alone the mechanical.and safety challenges we've just worked through. And for what, so person such as your self would be interested for about 5 minutes, then move on to something else to criticize.
Unfortunately that's how society is these days. No matter if we want to admit it or not.
Same thing with pro stock drag racing. The only people interested, are the ones that just want to take a trip down memory lane, instead of appreciating the technical aspect, no matter how restricted by rules it may be.
Just blame the sanctioning bodies!
They don't always make the right decisions, and some of the past deals have been down right laughable. But to point fingers at the sanctioning bodies only is a shame. Things have changed weather you like them or not. We just got to make the best of it. But bashing everything professional motorsports wise ensures an early demise. And people need to look in the mirror prior to pointing fingers and shelling blame.
Be a part of the solution, not part of the problem!
And the problems are more complex than what's under the hood!

[Arthur]

Solutions only result from one individuals determination
Committees pick lunches
I’ll have a burger
Your shout

[ClassAct]

Im sorry, apparently you have a tough time with reality huh?!?

Only yours-
Projection is no substitute for facts
You’re on a losing ticket

You see, if you had any idea what you are talking about, you would know that everything people suggest has been thought of. The fix for one problem creates many more. You think everyone in the sport, from the sanctioning body to the teams, are stupid. Just shows how little you, and many others really know.
A revert back to purely OEM based cars and power plants would end the sport just in the financial.aspect alone, let alone the mechanical.and safety challenges we've just worked through. And for what, so person such as your self would be interested for about 5 minutes, then move on to something else to criticize.
Unfortunately that's how society is these days. No matter if we want to admit it or not.
Same thing with pro stock drag racing. The only people interested, are the ones that just want to take a trip down memory lane, instead of appreciating the technical aspect, no matter how restricted by rules it may be.
Just blame the sanctioning bodies!
They don't always make the right decisions, and some of the past deals have been down right laughable. But to point fingers at the sanctioning bodies only is a shame. Things have changed weather you like them or not. We just got to make the best of it. But bashing everything professional motorsports wise ensures an early demise. And people need to look in the mirror prior to pointing fingers and shelling blame.
Be a part of the solution, not part of the problem!
And the problems are more complex than what's under the hood!

Pro Stock is dying exactly because of rules. Whether you want to acknowledge it or not. As is typical, GM gets the rules it always desires. Has been that way since before I was born.

Rules NEVER fix anything. I just read the "brain power" of NHRA is trying to develop more "parity" of competition by dicking with the rules. That's what's happened to the NFL. Anyone who knows football prior to the Pete Rozell and his desire for "parity" and his policies know that has killed the NFL product.

Defend the rules makers all you want. I say let the rules be fixed. Exact OE bodies. Use the power plants now. Mandate a tire size and weight. Leave the rest alone. Let the tire, chassis, aero and other engineers make them safe.

[tjs44]

Anyone who lives anywhere near a NASCAR track can pony up some cash and drive one or at least go for a ride along.I think I have like 64 laps at Vegas.Its a hoot and gives you a ton of respect for the guys and gals that go out and drive those things for 500 miles.Being a old drag racer really never had the nerve to actually stay 100% in it on the corners.FWIW,Tom