2017 Engine Masters ???

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Re: 2017 Engine Masters ???

Post by kick2008a » Thu Oct 05, 2017 10:26 pm

Everyone wants to win the competition, which we tried to do, but meeting and talking to engine builders in the EMC is something I'll never forget. Everyone is so easy to talk to and will answer almost any question you ask them. Some of the big hitters (John and Tony) came by and talked to us like we talked all the time. We've picked up a couple of 3rd place finishes, but this year meant a lot to us.

Thanks to HotRod, RJ, Adger and the UNOH kids.

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Post by SMITHBERGRACING » Thu Oct 05, 2017 10:49 pm

Congrats to Creason Crew, it's was a killer piece! Well deserved! 😎

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Re: 2017 Engine Masters ???

Post by hostang » Fri Oct 06, 2017 8:11 am

I couldn’t agree more! EMC is not only where cutting edge engine developememt is realized but where you experience the gear head family environment. Everyone is approachable! What a awesome experience!

Kudos to the class act EMC team, Adger, RJ, Lonnie, Hot Rod, and the tireless young people at UNOH! World Class!

Thanks to all!

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Re: 2017 Engine Masters ???

Post by Walter R. Malik » Fri Oct 06, 2017 11:30 am

This contest called the Engine Masters Challenge is simply the best avenue for viewing the builds and seeing the ultimate traditional type engines, ANYWHERE.
Along with the camaraderie which happens and continues forward from there is just an awesome experience.

Unfortunately, the rumor was going around in the later days of this year's contest that if it is to continue, it will need a different coordinator to take control of running it.
Hot Rod Magazine was bought by another entity who doesn't envision this contest to be in their future.

I, for one, certainly hope there is some entity out there who can see the advantage of this contest and the popularity it has within all the people interested in learning about "top of the line" engine building and some "out of the box" thinking which is destined to become reality in making advancements toward more horsepower in everyday type engines.
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Re: 2017 Engine Masters ???

Post by GARY C » Fri Oct 06, 2017 11:48 am

Walter R. Malik wrote:
Fri Oct 06, 2017 11:30 am
This contest called the Engine Masters Challenge is simply the best avenue for viewing the builds and seeing the ultimate traditional type engines, ANYWHERE.
Along with the camaraderie which happens and continues forward from there is just an awesome experience.

Unfortunately, the rumor was going around in the later days of this year's contest that if it is to continue, it will need a different coordinator to take control of running it.
Hot Rod Magazine was bought by another entity who doesn't envision this contest to be in their future.

I, for one, certainly hope there is some entity out there who can see the advantage of this contest and the popularity it has within all the people interested in learning about "top of the line" engine building and some "out of the box" thinking which is destined to become reality in making advancements toward more horsepower in everyday type engines.
Isn't that why this thread was started? http://www.speedtalk.com/forum/viewtopi ... =1&t=50602

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Re: 2017 Engine Masters ???

Post by Gregory » Fri Oct 06, 2017 1:47 pm

GARY C wrote:
Fri Oct 06, 2017 11:48 am
Walter R. Malik wrote:
Fri Oct 06, 2017 11:30 am
This contest called the Engine Masters Challenge is simply the best avenue for viewing the builds and seeing the ultimate traditional type engines, ANYWHERE.
Along with the camaraderie which happens and continues forward from there is just an awesome experience.

Unfortunately, the rumor was going around in the later days of this year's contest that if it is to continue, it will need a different coordinator to take control of running it.
Hot Rod Magazine was bought by another entity who doesn't envision this contest to be in their future.

I, for one, certainly hope there is some entity out there who can see the advantage of this contest and the popularity it has within all the people interested in learning about "top of the line" engine building and some "out of the box" thinking which is destined to become reality in making advancements toward more horsepower in everyday type engines.
Isn't that why this thread was started? http://www.speedtalk.com/forum/viewtopi ... =1&t=50602
That's why we started a new contest to be by engine builders for engine builders and not ruled by vendors/sponsors and
some corporate dictates.
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Re: 2017 Engine Masters ???

Post by Walter R. Malik » Fri Oct 06, 2017 3:57 pm

CGT wrote:
Thu Oct 05, 2017 3:39 pm
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1. Small Block Chevrolet based
2. Mopar "RB" engine based
3. 302 Ford based stroker
4. 351W based stroker
5. Mopar small block "LA" engine
6. Pontiac based
7. Early Chrysler 354 gen 1 Hemi based stroker
8- I think. Small block Mopar "LA" stroker

That is where my memory stops being near clear. :-k
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Re: 2017 Engine Masters ???

Post by randy331 » Sat Oct 07, 2017 9:51 am

We at team Creason want to thank all those at the EMC; we all had a very nice week, and send a special thanks to our new friends we met from Sweden, the Lindstrom Racing Engines team. ( LRE )

We all had a great time at dinner Thursday evening with the LRE team. Great bunch of guys.

And for those that have competed at the EMC, think how much time and effort it takes when you live here, and how much more effort it takes for someone from Sweden to do it. They are all certainly an above average group !

Pic of Creason team and LRE team at Ruby Tuesdays Thursday evening.

https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/ ... e=5A769247

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Re: 2017 Engine Masters ???

Post by John Wallace » Sat Oct 07, 2017 9:59 am

Congrats!

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Post by SMITHBERGRACING » Sat Oct 07, 2017 2:37 pm

We had a good time hanging out with the Sweede's too. Brought them along for the tour of UNOH. I think we asked them about the status of their engine delivery a half dozen times. Was really rooting for them to have a good showing and the opportunity to run. Hats off to them for their effort!

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Re: 2017 Engine Masters ???

Post by Keith Morganstein » Sat Oct 07, 2017 4:45 pm

randy331 wrote:
Sat Oct 07, 2017 9:51 am
We at team Creason want to thank all those at the EMC; we all had a very nice week, and send a special thanks to our new friends we met from Sweden, the Lindstrom Racing Engines team. ( LRE )

We all had a great time at dinner Thursday evening with the LRE team. Great bunch of guys.

And for those that have competed at the EMC, think how much time and effort it takes when you live here, and how much more effort it takes for someone from Sweden to do it. They are all certainly an above average group !

Pic of Creason team and LRE team at Ruby Tuesdays Thursday evening.

https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/ ... e=5A769247

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Randy, you've taken some beatings on this site about your thoughts and methods regarding engine and cylinder head development. I think you (and your teams) methodology and tech is very much vindicated with this impressive engine masters performance. Would you be willing to share what went into this build (for those of us with an open mind)?

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Re: 2017 Engine Masters ???

Post by GARY C » Sat Oct 07, 2017 5:07 pm

Keith Morganstein wrote:
Sat Oct 07, 2017 4:45 pm
randy331 wrote:
Sat Oct 07, 2017 9:51 am
We at team Creason want to thank all those at the EMC; we all had a very nice week, and send a special thanks to our new friends we met from Sweden, the Lindstrom Racing Engines team. ( LRE )

We all had a great time at dinner Thursday evening with the LRE team. Great bunch of guys.

And for those that have competed at the EMC, think how much time and effort it takes when you live here, and how much more effort it takes for someone from Sweden to do it. They are all certainly an above average group !

Pic of Creason team and LRE team at Ruby Tuesdays Thursday evening.

https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/ ... e=5A769247

Randy
Randy, you've taken some beatings on this site about your thoughts and methods regarding engine and cylinder head development. I think you (and your teams) methodology and tech is very much vindicated with this impressive engine masters performance. Would you be willing to share what went into this build (for those of us with an open mind)?
I have been a big part of that and I want to publicly apologize for my outspokenness, Rick, Randy, CGT, and their whole group worked their butts off for this win and deserve every bit of it, I don't want to be the cause of you guys not sharing on ST, you have far more helpful info for the readers then I probably ever will have so I will try to keep my trap shut, if I get out of line please tell me to STFU!

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Re: 2017 Engine Masters ???

Post by Jeff Lee » Sun Oct 08, 2017 4:29 am

I wrote this on an AMC Forum and wanted to share it hear with SpeedTalk.

Jim’s Tooling did fairly well with the AMC engine still running and a peak of 489.7 HP in the “Traditional Muscle Class".
This, using his design on the Edelbrock Victor EFI intake manifold converted to standard 4bbl, His patent pending Grace Exhaust Manifolds using 1 5/8” primary header tubes connected to his implementation of the Mickey Thompson staggered outlet and collector. He used OEM cast iron production cylinder heads (maybe the only one in his class?), 11.0:1 compression Weisco pistons and Sig Erson .600” flat tappet cam. RPM range per rules was 3300 to 7000 with stats used from 3500 to 6800 RPM.
He should be congratulated for sticking to his concept of hi-velocity intake manifold (I purchased two of them from Jim), and his somewhat off-beat exhaust system; both which were HIGHLY ridiculed upon at theamcforum.com. Due to some issues prior to the competition, he was put into a corner and used cylinder heads which only produced 256 CFM peak at the required .600” valve lift. Most of you may know that would be considered a marginal performing street head; at least in my opinion. I believe the carb was a 4150 series flowing around 850 CFM?
Using another set of production cylinder heads with more extensive work (but still steet-able, around 275 CFM), possibly a revised camshaft and a little more tuning, this could easily be a 525 HP 366 AMC. Coulda, woulda, shoulda doesn’t count but I’m still impressed with his 489.7 HP @ 6,400 / 463.3 @ 5,000 (still making 479.9 HP @ 6,800).
I don’t think any of the past EMC AMC competitors (or even magazine builds?) have come close to these figures.
I have spoken to Jim and he learned a lot and expect him to be back next year with many improvements.
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Re: 2017 Engine Masters ???

Post by randy331 » Sun Oct 08, 2017 8:29 am

Keith Morganstein wrote:
Sat Oct 07, 2017 4:45 pm
Randy, you've taken some beatings on this site about your thoughts and methods regarding engine and cylinder head development. I think you (and your teams) methodology and tech is very much vindicated with this impressive engine masters performance. Would you be willing to share what went into this build (for those of us with an open mind)?
We could, but it may be a bit. Fell behind on a few things during this, and it looks like Monday I will be trying to become a responsible adult again.
No more staying at home working on heads and running to dyno shop for testing and machine work all the time. Hanging out in Lima in the Motel parking lot talkin engines and beer flowZ every night.
And,.. I'm gonna miss the late nights at Joe's pissing his neighbors off. :D Chad got to know one pretty good. :lol:

Chad was our diplomatic spokes person when someone walked in at 10 at night saying,... I been listening to this shit since 8 this morning and it's still going on at 10 PM !!! I It better end !! Chad ok,... yea we're done. While we're all thinkin yea,....but that 8 am tomorrow thing ain't lookin good for you. :mrgreen:

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Re: 2017 Engine Masters ???

Post by RevTheory » Sun Oct 08, 2017 10:37 am

Every good group has a dedicated liaison. It's usually me, believe it or not :lol:

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