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buddy c · Post by **buddy c** » Fri Mar 07, 2008 10:38 pm

i need some help finding a new starter for my car, here are the requirments. must be for a 168 tooth flexplate,must be for a chevy sbc dart block which has both patterns, must be able to handle 14.1 compression,and last i need it to be a starter that does not have the extra 1" in length because the longer starters cause a header tube interference problem on my car. i have already tried a csr platnum starter and it is to long and the other starter i would like to use is the tilton,and it is advertised to be 1" longer than other minis in its class. Help

srd · Post by **srd** » Sat Mar 08, 2008 12:44 pm

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MadBill · Post by **MadBill** » Sat Mar 08, 2008 3:31 pm

BTW, cam duration, more specifically: IVC, has as much to do with the demand on the starter as Static CR.

buddy c · Post by **buddy c** » Sat Mar 08, 2008 6:55 pm

the starter i need would have to measure 71/4" long measured from the edge of the mouting block to the end plate of the starter.the csr platum i tried was exactly 1" longer and had header interference. anyone know of a starter the length i need?

Post by **Dave Koehler** » Sat Mar 08, 2008 7:22 pm

I use the late GM mini starter on blower engines. It's small, fits in tight and so far has held up to repeated 24 volt starting. Heck,... it even has a nose support and engages the flywheel teeth all the way across.

buddy c · Post by **buddy c** » Sat Mar 08, 2008 9:12 pm

Dave Koehler wrote:I use the late GM mini starter on blower engines. It's small, fits in tight and so far has held up to repeated 24 volt starting. Heck,... it even has a nose support and engages the flywheel teeth all the way across.

have you got a part number for it Dave?

Post by **Dave Koehler** » Sun Mar 09, 2008 12:44 pm

I don't know the GM number but powermaster also sells it. Believe it comes off of the newer Vettes, etc. Maybe all of them now. Haven't researched it.
It's the one at the top of this page. http://www.powermastermotorsports.com/1 ... rters.html

Some local guys have had to use this one to solve header clearance problems on door cars. Quick and crude measurement of mine is 7 3/8 from the bellhousing surface to the front. It does tuck in tighter than the converted japanese starters.

buddy c · Post by **buddy c** » Sun Mar 09, 2008 2:08 pm

Dave Koehler wrote:I don't know the GM number but powermaster also sells it. Believe it comes off of the newer Vettes, etc. Maybe all of them now. Haven't researched it.
It's the one at the top of this page. http://www.powermastermotorsports.com/1 ... rters.html

Some local guys have had to use this one to solve header clearance problems on door cars. Quick and crude measurement of mine is 7 3/8 from the bellhousing surface to the front. It does tuck in tighter than the converted japanese starters.

that starter looks exactly like the one i removed from my car and would probably fit, only thing is it is only good to 10.5:1 compression and my motor is 14:1. thanks anyway.

Post by **Dave Koehler** » Sun Mar 09, 2008 3:06 pm

If you are starting with the ignition on that would likely be true.
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buddy c · Post by **buddy c** » Sun Mar 09, 2008 4:56 pm

Dave Koehler wrote:If you are starting with the ignition on that would likely be true.no i roll it then hit the ignition. but since i installed this higher compression motor i have a kickback problem.
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John Wallace · Post by **John Wallace** » Sun Mar 09, 2008 4:59 pm

That's also what is on a Chevy dually with 454 (1995-?).

Post by **Dave Koehler** » Sun Mar 09, 2008 7:40 pm

unhook the start retard.

badbug3 · Post by **badbug3** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 12:52 am

that gm type starter is an excellent starter but it really is only for around 11-1 max compression on a maybe 454 only. MAIN PROBLEM WITH THAT STARTER IS IT HAS A PLAAAASTIC PLANETERY GEAR IN IT AND ONE KICK BACK FROM NOT ENOUGH TORQUE AND IT WILL STRIP ALL THE TOOFIES OFF IT RIGHT NOW.n Will leave u stranded quite often.

af2 · Post by **af2** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 6:20 pm

Dave Koehler wrote:unhook the start retard.

That is good advice! Running a 7AL3 I have the option of retarding at the start and the engine hated it! Took it out and it starts fine!

jstand · Post by **jstand** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 8:36 pm

Wonder if its possible to fit the gear assembly for a 168 tooth starter on the starter from the 6.5l GM diesels? (ACDelco Part # 336-1912)

The diesels ony have 139 teeth, but the ID of the ring gear is the same as the 168 toot ring gear so the spacing out from the flywheel should be the same.

It should handle the compression (my 6.5 was 21:1), and with dual batteries would hold up to the extended cranking required to fire that engine on cold mornings with 15W40 in the crank case.

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