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Re: 27 Dead In Texas Church Shooting

Post by 1989TransAm » Tue Nov 07, 2017 11:34 am

RevTheory wrote:
Tue Nov 07, 2017 8:19 am
I don't know how the liberals are going to be able to process this but the shooter was shot by an NRA instructor with an AR-15. He's also a Christian, white male.

Narrative: Blown! :D

http://dailycaller.com/2017/11/06/texas ... ium=Social
The msm will avoid this information. It does not fit the narrative they are trying to push.

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Re: 27 Dead In Texas Church Shooting

Post by GARY C » Tue Nov 07, 2017 2:00 pm

sanfordandson wrote:
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Damn, that's going to suck if someone tried to cut the guy a little slack by not giving him a dishonorable discharge only to have the guy shoot up a church years later.
Apparently the bad conduct discharge need to be reported to the national crime database and that didn't happen. If it did he wouldn't have been allowed to buy the guns.
Yes it's important that they work on enforcing the laws on the books as opposed to thinking more laws will stop this, a person hell bent on killing is going to kill even though it is illegal to kill!

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Re: 27 Dead In Texas Church Shooting

Post by Ken0069 » Tue Nov 07, 2017 2:15 pm

Nothing mentioned in the "Bad Conduct Discharge" about not being able to own a firearm, BUT, the conviction he had for assault on both his Wife and Children DOES prohibit him from owning a gun in "most" states, but I'm not sure what Texas law says on this.

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Bad Conduct Discharge (BCD)

The Bad Conduct Discharge is only passed on to enlisted military members and is given by a court-martial due to punishment for bad conduct. A Bad Conduct discharge is often preceded by time in military prison. Virtually all veteran’s benefits are forfeited if discharged due to Bad Conduct.

Dishonorable Discharge

If the military considers a service members actions to be reprehensible, the general court-martial can determine a dishonorable discharge is in order. Murder and sexual assault are examples of situations which would result in a dishonorable discharge. If someone is dishonorably discharged from the military they are not allowed to own firearms according to US federal law. Military members who receive a Dishonorable Discharge forfeit all military and veterans benefits and may have a difficult time finding work in the civilian sector.
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Re: 27 Dead In Texas Church Shooting

Post by Ken0069 » Tue Nov 07, 2017 5:53 pm

This guy was a walking train wreck for a long time. With a lot of ppl knowing his background, there's a lot of ppl with the blood of innocent victims on their hands!!

Sutherland Springs church shooter escaped mental health facility months after attack on wife, child
Ex-facility official says Kelley made death threats and tried to buy weapons
By Mario Diaz , Cathy Tatom , Aaron Wische - Senior Executive Producer
Posted: 12:02 PM, November 07, 2017
HOUSTON - Channel 2 Investigates obtained law enforcement documents revealing Devin Kelley escaped from a behavioral center in New Mexico a little more than five years before Sunday’s deadly rampage in Sutherland Springs.

The incident report, filed by the El Paso Police Department, states Kelley was picked up at a bus terminal in downtown El Paso before midnight on the evening of June 7, 2012. The report states two officers were dispatched to the terminal to look into a missing-person report.

https://media.click2houston.com/documen ... ver1.0.pdf

When they arrived, the two officers learned Kelley had escaped from Peak Behavioral Health Services, a mental health facility in Santa Teresa, New Mexico, that has a dedicated unit for service members and veterans.

Xavier Alvarez, who was the director of military affairs for Peak Behavioral Health at the time, told the officers on scene that Kelley, who was 21 years old at the time, had “suffered from mental disorders and had plans to run to from Peak Behavioral Health Services” by purchasing a bus ticket out of state. (read more)
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Re: 27 Dead In Texas Church Shooting

Post by RevTheory » Tue Nov 07, 2017 6:21 pm

This shit is becoming too commonplace. Some of these previous shooters have been on the radar screen for years and yet they were still able to carry out their mayhem.

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Re: 27 Dead In Texas Church Shooting

Post by GARY C » Tue Nov 07, 2017 6:35 pm

Several of his friends and FB friends have spoken about his militant atheism and his hate for Christians and that info came from an atheist.

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Re: 27 Dead In Texas Church Shooting

Post by sanfordandson » Tue Nov 07, 2017 6:55 pm

FBI claims they cannot access the shooters phone.. #-o

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Re: 27 Dead In Texas Church Shooting

Post by exhaustgases » Tue Nov 07, 2017 7:12 pm

sanfordandson wrote:
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FBI claims they cannot access the shooters phone.. #-o
Is there a hard drive missing yet?

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Re: 27 Dead In Texas Church Shooting

Post by Dave Koehler » Tue Nov 07, 2017 10:05 pm

It's not too hard to understand how this can fall through the cracks. Mostly it's our system of freedoms and being reactive.

Back in the late 70s we had a local young farmer, likable, great guy, successful, decent racer.
Somewhere along the line he got hooked on coke. Totally changed his demeanor. Mean bordering on vicious.
Everyone steered a wide path. Some of us had mentioned to the deputies we knew that trouble was in the wind.
They were aware of some incidents but could do nothing yet.

It took a couple of years but during a traffic stop he jumped the deputy and darn near beat him to death before the officer finally got a hold of his own gun and took him out. We all knew something bad was going to happen as he was too far gone to redeem. Fortunately it worked out right.
The officer wasn't that old and in shape himself but he did say he knew by the look that guy would kill him. He retired early as a result. Don't blame him a bit.
As we all are aware cops take a more cautious approach to traffic stops these days.

I think of him when these mass shootings happen. I firmly believe if he had lived in this time period with the same personality change he would be one we would be trying to figure out.
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Re: 27 Dead In Texas Church Shooting

Post by GARY C » Tue Nov 07, 2017 11:03 pm

Yeah there was a guy on YT in 2015 that people thought fit the profile of the sandy hook boy and they called him out on line as well as reporting him, I think authority visited him but nothing was done, he ended up killing his mom and a school teacher in Sandy Springs and attempted to get in a school but it was locked and he fled... Strangely it got very little coverage as far as I know. He went by the name Justin Woolee/Justin Hess.
Some think he was a plant to make gun people that disagree with gov control or all lunatics, either way seems odd.

News report.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqSIeNV8uog
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wC6WOD7g_ww

Oddly his video's are still on YT.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRtNWWnf_aw
Vid of him playing like a killer, lived with mom, unemployed, several high end weapons.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7xnvYTN2vg

Here he is open carrying AR 15 in public talking to police.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KuAGhfZg5A

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Re: 27 Dead In Texas Church Shooting

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Re: 27 Dead In Texas Church Shooting

Post by dirtracr5 » Wed Nov 08, 2017 12:13 pm

Unfortunately shooting back during a mass shooting is not "preventing it"

Doing something about these nut cases BEFORE it happens is a good start to preventing it.

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Re: 27 Dead In Texas Church Shooting

Post by Zmechanic » Wed Nov 08, 2017 12:22 pm

sanfordandson wrote:
Tue Nov 07, 2017 8:28 am
Heard this morning the Air Force didnt get the proper info to the crime data base and thats why he was allowed to buy the guns.

Apparently he cracked his infants sons skull and beat his wife while in service.
Mike Rowe actually did a really good narrative on this exact thing. He pointed out how frequent and commonplace it is that felony level crimes are not recorded into the national database.
Currently, thousands of people deemed mentally incompetent by the courts are NOT registered in our National Check System. That’s insane, if you’ll pardon the irony, in part because it’s so easily correctable. Likewise, The ATF says that most states report less than 80% of their felony convictions to the national system. As a result, nearly 7 million convicted felons are not currently registered. Is it any surprise that nearly every mass killer in recent memory passed a background check?

Seems to me, our current system is only as good as the records in it, and right now, those records are laughably incomplete. But even more troubling are the tens of thousands of people who ARE in the system, that keep trying to buy guns illegally with absolutely no consequence.

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Re: 27 Dead In Texas Church Shooting

Post by Ken0069 » Wed Nov 08, 2017 12:25 pm

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This time someone did, a little bit late for some but who knows what further carnage he might have prevented!

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Re: 27 Dead In Texas Church Shooting

Post by woody b » Wed Nov 08, 2017 2:17 pm

dirtracr5 wrote:
Wed Nov 08, 2017 12:13 pm
Unfortunately shooting back during a mass shooting is not "preventing it"

Doing something about these nut cases BEFORE it happens is a good start to preventing it.
It didn't prevent this one, but it kept it from being worse. If everyday citizens are made defenseless via gun control criminals and nutjobs will not have anyone to stop them, except Police, who may not be anywhere close to the trouble. It's sad, but many of the Chruches around here have plans for attacks like the one in Texas. It's not preventing it, but a shooter wouldn't be going from row to row picking out who he's going to shoot.
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