Another big loss for trump: Judge bars US from enforcing Trump asylum ban

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Another big loss for trump: Judge bars US from enforcing Trump asylum ban

Post by sanfordandson » Tue Nov 20, 2018 10:08 am

https://www.yahoo.com/news/legal-groups ... 08107.html
federal judge barred the Trump administration from refusing asylum to immigrants who cross the southern border illegally.

President Donald Trump issued a proclamation on Nov. 9 that said anyone who crossed the southern border between official ports of entry would be ineligible for asylum. As the first of several caravans of migrants have started arriving at the U.S.-Mexico border, Trump said an asylum ban was necessary to stop what he's attacked as a national security threat.

But in his ruling Monday, U.S. District Judge Jon Tigar agreed with legal groups that immediately sued, arguing that U.S. immigration law clearly allows someone to seek asylum even if they enter the country between official ports of entry.

"Whatever the scope of the President's authority, he may not rewrite the immigration laws to impose a condition that Congress has expressly forbidden," said Tigar, a nominee of former President Barack Obama.

The Department of Homeland Security did not immediately comment on the ruling, which will remain in effect for one month barring an appeal. In issuing the ban, Trump used the same powers he used last year to impose a travel ban that was ultimately upheld by the Supreme Court.

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Re: Another big loss for trump: Judge bars US from enforcing Trump asylum ban

Post by j-c-c » Tue Nov 20, 2018 10:20 am

Just more EO's to rescind in 2020. :roll:

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Re: Another big loss for trump: Judge bars US from enforcing Trump asylum ban

Post by jet1 » Tue Nov 20, 2018 10:29 am

I would agree that he cannot decide who can apply for asylum no matter where they come across the border. Having said that, if they choose to cross the boarder illegally then they have broken the law and are subject to deportation. That is of course if anyone can ever find them again if catch and release continues.

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Re: Another big loss for trump: Judge bars US from enforcing Trump asylum ban

Post by Ken0069 » Tue Nov 20, 2018 11:19 am

This one isn't as bad as it may seem as it basically does nothing to stop efforts to prevent illegal entry!
The ruling only applies to aliens who gain illegal entry and request asylum.

Nothing in the ruling stops the hardened border enforcement and/or current expedited review and deportation program. In essence, keep the illegal aliens out and the judicial ruling is moot (until defeated in higher courts).

Though it might frustrate the left-wing media and the open borders crowd, no court can successfully demand the President of the United States to stop border enforcement. This is why it is critical to have a strong DHS Secretary focused on stopping illegal entry.

This ruling will obviously be appealed by the DOJ; and politically the Democrats realize, in the bigger picture, this ‘open-border’ narrative is not good for them. On its face this ruling is ridiculous as it eliminates/undermines the legal process for asylum requests by removing the distinction of illegal or unlawful conduct in the application process.
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Re: Another big loss for trump: Judge bars US from enforcing Trump asylum ban

Post by pdq67 » Tue Nov 20, 2018 11:23 am

We need to make it a LAW that ALIEN's can only request asylum while living in their own countries of birth/origin, therefore there isn't a loop-hole they can use after getting in here illegally!!

Also it seems that we have a bunch of, "bleeding heart", liberal Judges that don't understand what the word, "ILLEGAL", means??

Maybe some of these LIBERAL Judges should take a bunch of them in to raise??

And not let them get on our Gov.'s, "TIT"!!!

Might save us some tax dollars??

Never happen though AND shit like this is why, "REVOLUTIONS", happen!!

Didn't I just read SOMEPLACE that the plan is to move 5,000,000,000 poor people, "(you know - aliens), to other countries in Europe and the NA Continent to disrupt them/us, much less destroy the countries by 2020??

Where did I read this??

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Re: Another big loss for trump: Judge bars US from enforcing Trump asylum ban

Post by gmrocket » Tue Nov 20, 2018 11:31 am

The new UN migration pact is basically telling good safe successful countries they have to allow anyone in , regardless of the reason.

Ya,, the UN, where the majority are shyt hole countries that are run be despots and dictators ..

It's time to blow up the UN, stop all foreign aid so those countries can self distruct IN THEIR own countries...

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Re: Another big loss for trump: Judge bars US from enforcing Trump asylum ban

Post by sanfordandson » Tue Nov 20, 2018 11:44 am

Ken0069 wrote:
Tue Nov 20, 2018 11:19 am
This one isn't as bad as it may seem as it basically does nothing to stop efforts to prevent illegal entry!
The ruling only applies to aliens who gain illegal entry and request asylum.

Nothing in the ruling stops the hardened border enforcement and/or current expedited review and deportation program. In essence, keep the illegal aliens out and the judicial ruling is moot (until defeated in higher courts).

Though it might frustrate the left-wing media and the open borders crowd, no court can successfully demand the President of the United States to stop border enforcement. This is why it is critical to have a strong DHS Secretary focused on stopping illegal entry.

This ruling will obviously be appealed by the DOJ; and politically the Democrats realize, in the bigger picture, this ‘open-border’ narrative is not good for them. On its face this ruling is ridiculous as it eliminates/undermines the legal process for asylum requests by removing the distinction of illegal or unlawful conduct in the application process.
Glad to see you agree that seeking asylum isnt illegal entry. I'm surprised you disagree with trump. :shock:

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Re: Another big loss for trump: Judge bars US from enforcing Trump asylum ban

Post by Ken0069 » Tue Nov 20, 2018 11:57 am

gmrocket wrote:
Tue Nov 20, 2018 11:31 am
The new UN migration pact is basically telling good safe successful countries they have to allow anyone in , regardless of the reason.

Ya,, the UN, where the majority are shyt hole countries that are run be despots and dictators ..

It's time to blow up the UN, stop all foreign aid so those countries can self distruct IN THEIR own countries...
We need to GET THE HELL OUT OF THE UN AND THEN GET THE UN THE HELL OUT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!!
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Re: Another big loss for trump: Judge bars US from enforcing Trump asylum ban

Post by j-c-c » Tue Nov 20, 2018 12:37 pm

pdq67 wrote:
Tue Nov 20, 2018 11:23 am
We need to make it a LAW that ALIEN's can only request asylum while living in their own countries of birth/origin, therefore there isn't a loop-hole they can use after getting in here illegally!!

Also it seems that we have a bunch of, "bleeding heart", liberal Judges that don't understand what the word, "ILLEGAL", means??

Maybe some of these LIBERAL Judges should take a bunch of them in to raise??

And not let them get on our Gov.'s, "TIT"!!!

Might save us some tax dollars??

Never happen though AND shit like this is why, "REVOLUTIONS", happen!!

Didn't I just read SOMEPLACE that the plan is to move 5,000,000,000 poor people, "(you know - aliens), to other countries in Europe and the NA Continent to disrupt them/us, much less destroy the countries by 2020??

Where did I read this??

pdq67
Guess while we are locking up HC, we should be deporting hundreds of thousands of Cuban rafters who came here "illegally". They should have petitioned the US for asylum while living under Castro, that would have had no repercussions for them I'm sure. #-o


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Re: Another big loss for trump: Judge bars US from enforcing Trump asylum

Post by gmrocket » Tue Nov 20, 2018 8:54 pm

Everyone should read the UN global migration pact

It's astonishing...here are a few highlites

Governments must promote a positive image of immigrant migration, in media, on government controlled media , news releases etc

Governments must stop or suspend any negative images of migration, no photos or news releases that show immigrants in a negative image

Government must control social media to promote and show the positives on immigration, legal or illegal

Thats justa few...it gets worse on how governments need to promote a positive narrative...no matter what

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Re: Another big loss for trump: Judge bars US from enforcing Trump asylum ban

Post by j-c-c » Tue Nov 20, 2018 9:00 pm

You probably would have a problem with the Geneva Convention on treatment of war prisoners then.

"POWs must be treated humanely in all circumstances. They are protected against any act of violence, as well as against intimidation, insults, and public curiosity. IHL also defines minimum conditions of detention covering such issues as accommodation, food, clothing, hygiene and medical care."

https://www.icrc.org/en/doc/war-and-law ... ersons.htm

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Re: Another big loss for trump: Judge bars US from enforcing Trump asylum ban

Post by exhaustgases » Tue Nov 20, 2018 9:08 pm

Now who about 30 years or more ago, helped create all the mess in the south American areas? All for more deep state plans in the future we find out now.
Just wondering when Trump will figure out the real fix for all the problems.

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Re: Another big loss for trump: Judge bars US from enforcing Trump asylum ban

Post by j-c-c » Tue Nov 20, 2018 9:10 pm

exhaustgases wrote:
Tue Nov 20, 2018 9:08 pm
Now who about 30 years or more ago, helped create all the mess in the south American areas? All for more deep state plans in the future we find out now.
Just wondering when Trump will figure out the real fix for all the problems.


NEVER, he doesn't care.

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