Profiler 12* sbc hmmm.

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Re: Profiler 12* sbc hmmm.

Post by statsystems » Mon Nov 06, 2017 7:51 pm

GARY C wrote:
Mon Nov 06, 2017 7:47 pm
Chevy got tired of losing to Ford in NASCAR so they copied their heads and the rest is history...except it's modern #-o
That should spur a cpl more pages of argument. :D

You shit stirrer you!!!

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Re: Profiler 12* sbc hmmm.

Post by GARY C » Mon Nov 06, 2017 7:52 pm

statsystems wrote:
Mon Nov 06, 2017 7:51 pm
GARY C wrote:
Mon Nov 06, 2017 7:47 pm
Chevy got tired of losing to Ford in NASCAR so they copied their heads and the rest is history...except it's modern #-o
That should spur a cpl more pages of argument. :D

You shit stirrer you!!!
Dang! you caught me... Shhh don't tell anyone.

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Re: Profiler 12* sbc hmmm.

Post by cgarb » Mon Nov 06, 2017 7:54 pm

LOL...no what Chevrolet did was make it so cheap to race it flooded the market with Chevrolet's. So you have 38 bowties in a 42 car field with 1 Ford, a Mopar and 2 Toyotas...lol. Simple odds is in their favor HP or not. I am a Ford fan at heart, but race a Chevrolet powered Buick...go figure. There's some more free gas for the fire.

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Re: Profiler 12* sbc hmmm.

Post by cjperformance » Mon Nov 06, 2017 8:22 pm

GARY C wrote:
Mon Nov 06, 2017 7:47 pm
Chevy got tired of losing to Ford in NASCAR so they copied their heads and the rest is history...except it's modern #-o
That should spur a cpl more pages of argument. :D
Lol, chevy copied ford heads but when ford copied chev heads didnt they get banned or out ruled?!
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Re: Profiler 12* sbc hmmm.

Post by cjperformance » Mon Nov 06, 2017 8:22 pm

cjperformance wrote:
Sun Nov 05, 2017 10:24 pm
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Ir ya can do the reverse !
Fordrolet :D
See ! Chevy head for ford !!

Edit,, the pics worked on page 1
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Re: Profiler 12* sbc hmmm.

Post by Warp Speed » Mon Nov 06, 2017 8:53 pm

GARY C wrote:
Mon Nov 06, 2017 7:47 pm
Chevy got tired of losing to Ford in NASCAR so they copied their heads and the rest is history...except it's modern #-o
That should spur a cpl more pages of argument. :D
Not really, just consider the source and move along! :wink:

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Re: Profiler 12* sbc hmmm.

Post by GARY C » Mon Nov 06, 2017 8:59 pm

cjperformance wrote:
Mon Nov 06, 2017 8:22 pm
GARY C wrote:
Mon Nov 06, 2017 7:47 pm
Chevy got tired of losing to Ford in NASCAR so they copied their heads and the rest is history...except it's modern #-o
That should spur a cpl more pages of argument. :D
Lol, chevy copied ford heads but when ford copied chev heads didnt they get banned or out ruled?!
I don't know, I remember talk on the NASCAR shows about how the new Chevy head resembled the Ford and bla bla but they were just comen-tatters so who knows what really happens behind the scenes.

For the record I life long Chevy man but I have to say the Ford layout seems to be better.

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Re: Profiler 12* sbc hmmm.

Post by cspeier » Mon Nov 06, 2017 9:06 pm

I seem to remember reading that the CFE SBX has been around and developed since 1991...

So what I'm saying is picking on the ProFiler doesn't make much sense to me when there were plenty ahead of it.

ProFiler just brought to a market a cylinder head for 1/2 the CFE and that runs with the billet heads in Aussy Pro Stock.

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Re: Profiler 12* sbc hmmm.

Post by GARY C » Mon Nov 06, 2017 9:15 pm

cspeier wrote:
Mon Nov 06, 2017 9:06 pm
I seem to remember reading that the CFE SBX has been around and developed since 1991...

So what I'm saying is picking on the ProFiler doesn't make much sense to me when there were plenty ahead of it.

ProFiler just brought to a market a cylinder head for 1/2 the CFE and that runs with the billet heads in Aussy Pro Stock.
I wouldn't doubt it, CFE produces some pretty remarkable product.

I for one would not pick on Profiler, I think they have proven to make a good head.

If I am not mistaken I believe there was a set on the winning EMC engine this year.

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Re: Profiler 12* sbc hmmm.

Post by cjperformance » Mon Nov 06, 2017 9:27 pm

GARY C wrote:
Mon Nov 06, 2017 8:59 pm
cjperformance wrote:
Mon Nov 06, 2017 8:22 pm
GARY C wrote:
Mon Nov 06, 2017 7:47 pm
Chevy got tired of losing to Ford in NASCAR so they copied their heads and the rest is history...except it's modern #-o
That should spur a cpl more pages of argument. :D
Lol, chevy copied ford heads but when ford copied chev heads didnt they get banned or out ruled?!
I don't know, I remember talk on the NASCAR shows about how the new Chevy head resembled the Ford and bla bla but they were just comen-tatters so who knows what really happens behind the scenes.

For the record I life long Chevy man but I have to say the Ford layout seems to be better.
Actually if you look at the Chevy style ford head i posted a pic of I prefer the intake layout in that. It gives each intake port a nicer angle into the intake plenum with a single 4 barrel whereas the traditional ford layout gives 2 ports on each side a nice angle and 2 ports in each side a bit of a dog leg effect.
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Re: Profiler 12* sbc hmmm.

Post by GARY C » Mon Nov 06, 2017 9:35 pm

cjperformance wrote:
Mon Nov 06, 2017 9:27 pm
GARY C wrote:
Mon Nov 06, 2017 8:59 pm
cjperformance wrote:
Mon Nov 06, 2017 8:22 pm


Lol, chevy copied ford heads but when ford copied chev heads didnt they get banned or out ruled?!
I don't know, I remember talk on the NASCAR shows about how the new Chevy head resembled the Ford and bla bla but they were just comen-tatters so who knows what really happens behind the scenes.

For the record I life long Chevy man but I have to say the Ford layout seems to be better.
Actually if you look at the Chevy style ford head i posted a pic of I prefer the intake layout in that. It gives each intake port a nicer angle into the intake plenum with a single 4 barrel whereas the traditional ford layout gives 2 ports on each side a nice angle and 2 ports in each side a bit of a dog leg effect.
I should have specified, that layout vs the traditional stock port configuration..It always sounds good in my head, I just fail at times to put it on paper. :)

So Ford has a good runner and bad runner per say like a BBC?

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Re: Profiler 12* sbc hmmm.

Post by cjperformance » Mon Nov 06, 2017 9:48 pm

Yeah take a cleveland for instance. (Sorry to hijack this thread) The even valve layout has every intake port pointing slightly forward in the LHS and rearward on the RHS. So even though the ports in the head are all the same (unlike the BBC ports for eg ) you end up (single 4 barrel) with the rear 2 runners on the LHS getting a good shot at the plenum and the front 2 runners having to kink rearward where the intake and head faces meet , then if course the opposite effect in the RHS.
Opposing the valve layout from one end of the head to the other allows each intake port to be angled toward the plenum , of course there are a ton more factors to any story but there are advantages to that i.e.i.e.e.i.e.i. layout.
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Re: Profiler 12* sbc hmmm.

Post by KnightEngines » Mon Nov 06, 2017 9:54 pm

Yeah, that's the biggest drawback to running a symmetrical port head with a single carb - they come alive with a ram that can get the runners lined up properly & all the same length, but a single 4 hurts them.
Holden "VN's" have this problem, those end runners can never have a 'proper' manifold runner with a single 4, even stock port layout SBC's have an advantage in that respect.

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Re: Profiler 12* sbc hmmm.

Post by GARY C » Mon Nov 06, 2017 10:00 pm

cjperformance wrote:
Mon Nov 06, 2017 9:48 pm
Yeah take a cleveland for instance. (Sorry to hijack this thread) The even valve layout has every intake port pointing slightly forward in the LHS and rearward on the RHS. So even though the ports in the head are all the same (unlike the BBC ports for eg ) you end up (single 4 barrel) with the rear 2 runners on the LHS getting a good shot at the plenum and the front 2 runners having to kink rearward where the intake and head faces meet , then if course the opposite effect in the RHS.
Opposing the valve layout from one end of the head to the other allows each intake port to be angled toward the plenum , of course there are a ton more factors to any story but there are advantages to that i.e.i.e.e.i.e.i. layout.
Cool, thanks for the explanation.

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Re: Profiler 12* sbc hmmm.

Post by cjperformance » Mon Nov 06, 2017 10:04 pm

KnightEngines wrote:
Mon Nov 06, 2017 9:54 pm
Yeah, that's the biggest drawback to running a symmetrical port head with a single carb - they come alive with a ram that can get the runners lined up properly & all the same length, but a single 4 hurts them.
Holden "VN's" have this problem, those end runners can never have a 'proper' manifold runner with a single 4, even stock port layout SBC's have an advantage in that respect.
Ah yes i dont look at VN & Red much but im just looking at VN's and some Red308's now, yes VN of course same issue as Clevo / BBF and Red308's similar issue intake port to BBC.
Just another good excuse to run a t-ram or I.R. :D
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