Ford MEL engine? Whaaaaaaaaaa???

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Re: Ford MEL engine? Whaaaaaaaaaa???

Post by Daniel Jones » Tue Nov 07, 2017 4:08 pm

> my buddy said that someone told him the 460 is a PITA swap in that car.

460s were offered in later years of that car so a swap could be done using OEM parts if you can find them. However, you may be looking at a transmission swap as well since the early MEL bellhousing won't work with a 460.

If the car currently has a 430 MEL and matching transmission and he doesn't want an overdrive, it might be cheaper/easier to rebuild what you currently have versus doing an engine and transmission swap.

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Re: Ford MEL engine? Whaaaaaaaaaa???

Post by DaveMcLain » Tue Nov 07, 2017 4:20 pm

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> my buddy said that someone told him the 460 is a PITA swap in that car.

460s were offered in later years of that car so a swap could be done using OEM parts if you can find them. However, you may be looking at a transmission swap as well since the early MEL bellhousing won't work with a 460.

If the car currently has a 430 MEL and matching transmission and he doesn't want an overdrive, it might be cheaper/easier to rebuild what you currently have versus doing an engine and transmission swap.

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There were some Lincolns that used the 460 along with a C6 that had that weird bolt pattern. From my understanding it was done possibly on the commercial chassis type applications to get more clearance at the rear of the engine for some reason. I doubt it would be necessary to make a swap work. Also the early 460's used a power steering pump that was mounted on the front of the crank snout and I think that was also the way it was done on the 462 engine used in the late '60's Lincoln cars.

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Re: Ford MEL engine? Whaaaaaaaaaa???

Post by nickpohlaandp » Tue Nov 07, 2017 4:37 pm

Daniel Jones wrote: ↑
Tue Nov 07, 2017 4:08 pm
> my buddy said that someone told him the 460 is a PITA swap in that car.

460s were offered in later years of that car so a swap could be done using OEM parts if you can find them. However, you may be looking at a transmission swap as well since the early MEL bellhousing won't work with a 460.

If the car currently has a 430 MEL and matching transmission and he doesn't want an overdrive, it might be cheaper/easier to rebuild what you currently have versus doing an engine and transmission swap.

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I think you might've missed the part where I said the car doesn't have an engine or trans. The guy selling it has a 460/C6 to go with it, but that's not the correct setup for a '62 Lincoln. Herein lies the conundrum. I'm not too worried about it either way because ultimately it's up to my buddy who wants the car. I'm just trying to gather a little info to pass along to let him know what he (we) could be getting into.
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Re: Ford MEL engine? Whaaaaaaaaaa???

Post by prairiehotrodder » Tue Nov 07, 2017 4:49 pm

if its just a cruiser i'd skip all those engines. Drop in a 351W from the latest years they were made and it should have a factory roller cam. Probably could find a good running complete engine for $500. Buy a carb style intake for it and a baby C6 or an AOD. And start cruising.
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Re: Ford MEL engine? Whaaaaaaaaaa???

Post by Daniel Jones » Tue Nov 07, 2017 4:59 pm

> I think you might've missed the part where I said the car doesn't have an engine or trans.

I did. Sorry about that.

> The guy selling it has a 460/C6 to go with it, but that's not the correct setup for a '62 Lincoln.

IIRC, the 1968 Lincoln 460 had some unique features like a crank mounted power steering pump and integral fan belt pulleys. I can't imagine that there would be any interference issues with the later front dress arrangement but you might want to verify that and also the compatibility of the power steering pumps. Wasn't there also a balance change in the later 460's that used a hatchet weighted crank spacer like a 428 SCJ did?

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Re: Ford MEL engine? Whaaaaaaaaaa???

Post by MT Jeff » Tue Nov 07, 2017 6:39 pm

prairiehotrodder wrote: ↑
Tue Nov 07, 2017 4:49 pm
if its just a cruiser i'd skip all those engines. Drop in a 351W from the latest years they were made and it should have a factory roller cam. Probably could find a good running complete engine for $500. Buy a carb style intake for it and a baby C6 or an AOD. And start cruising.
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Post by GLHS60 » Tue Nov 07, 2017 11:40 pm

From : http://ford-mel-engine.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=489

But.... a 460 will not just bolt into '66 Continental - it takes customization of the 'frame' rails, drive line, exhaust system and transmission hump. It can & has been done but not by the average classic car guy. It will cost you an amount of money equal to or above the cost of two completely rebuilt MEL 462's.

I believe it's much easier to bolt a 460 into a '68 Continental as they changed from MEL 462 to 460 in the middle of the production year. :ugeek:

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Post by grant6395 » Tue Nov 07, 2017 11:57 pm

You could always purchase kasse's MEL from this years engine masters. What an engineering marvel. The man is nutz. 🏁

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Re: Ford MEL engine? Whaaaaaaaaaa???

Post by cjperformance » Wed Nov 08, 2017 4:35 am

grant6395 wrote: ↑
Tue Nov 07, 2017 11:57 pm
You could always purchase kasse's MEL from this years engine masters. What an engineering marvel. The man is nutz. 🏁
Hey can you give me a link to that?
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Post by Carnut1 » Wed Nov 08, 2017 7:00 am

What it really needs is a very high strung 306, 5 speed, and 6 series gears. Perfect crusing vessel.
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Re: Ford MEL engine? Whaaaaaaaaaa???

Post by Truckedup » Wed Nov 08, 2017 7:19 am

Racerrick wrote: ↑
Tue Nov 07, 2017 2:38 pm
nickpohlaandp wrote: ↑
Tue Nov 07, 2017 11:59 am


Once again, Ford has not disappointed on being the most complicated manufacturer of car parts on earth. Why in the world did they make soooo many different engines??? Seems like they were grasping at straws to figure out what worked.

Ok, whatever.
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Re: Ford MEL engine? Whaaaaaaaaaa???

Post by woody b » Wed Nov 08, 2017 12:23 pm

Put a LS Chevy engine in it, with a 4L60 trans. Gotta make something fit anyway.
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Re: Ford MEL engine? Whaaaaaaaaaa???

Post by Krooser » Wed Nov 08, 2017 1:10 pm

I remember riding with my parents in my Uncle Mike's new '59 Lincoln with a 430... he was running about 120 mph on a local two lane when he fell asleep after drinking a few too many 'boilermakers'...my Aunt Ann had to keep poking him to stay awake!
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Re: Ford MEL engine? Whaaaaaaaaaa???

Post by PackardV8 » Wed Nov 08, 2017 2:32 pm

Krooser wrote: ↑
Wed Nov 08, 2017 1:10 pm
I remember riding with my parents in my Uncle Mike's new '59 Lincoln with a 430... he was running about 120 mph on a local two lane when he fell asleep after drinking a few too many 'boilermakers'...my Aunt Ann had to keep poking him to stay awake!
Would have been unfortunate if you all had been killed to make it happen, but at least the wreck would have destroyed one of the ugliest cars ever built.

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Re: Ford MEL engine? Whaaaaaaaaaa???

Post by DaveMcLain » Wed Nov 08, 2017 2:38 pm

PackardV8 wrote: ↑
Wed Nov 08, 2017 2:32 pm
Krooser wrote: ↑
Wed Nov 08, 2017 1:10 pm
I remember riding with my parents in my Uncle Mike's new '59 Lincoln with a 430... he was running about 120 mph on a local two lane when he fell asleep after drinking a few too many 'boilermakers'...my Aunt Ann had to keep poking him to stay awake!
Would have been unfortunate if you all had been killed to make it happen, but at least the wreck would have destroyed one of the ugliest cars ever built.

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They are sort of weird looking but I don't know if its worse than a '60 Mercury. A customer had one of those with a 312 and it was kind of neat.

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